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Who are these “magic” enforcers who would ticket or arrest you for flying and older unmarked quad. The government can barely stop people from doing illegal drugs or driving fast. Maybe if your flying in a city where someone would rat you out or if your flying a DJI product.
I have invested thousands of dollars in drone “equipment” for my business. I am concerned that the Govt in creating this regulation in effect is creating a taking if my equipment will be bricked.
imagine if the govt told classic car owners because of safety (no Remote ID) concerns that the only place they could drive their cars was at a govt approved track, that you needed to pay an annual fee to use that track, that this track will be phased out, you must haul it there on a car hauler, could never drive it on the road again. (i believe this would raise the hackles of all classic car owners and they would be up in arms over this proposal.
I personally will not be buying any more drones or related equipment until we find out if there is going to be a “prohibition”. We all know how “prohibition” went. I can see the REVENUERS looking for the “Drone Stills” in the future. The govt wishes to make honest people either criminals or compliant robots. “WHEN THEY PRY MY COLD DEAD FINGERS FROM MY DRONE”!!!!!!
It’s all about the MONEY, honey…
ask trump to sort it out in between rallies. tell him its a democrate proposal to curtail american freedoms.
just a thought
If you think the FAA is going to listen to you, you are nuts. You are dealing with the federal government. They don’t care about you , you don’t have enough money to line their pockets.
Ken, trust me ,I am trying real hard to contain my ANGER.
Kiss GPS and Wi-fi goodbye when this gets enacted, to your drone’s ability to fly or use FPV.
“Cars have a license plate and i think drones should too”. Do you have excise tax their? We do. I regularly pay close to $2000 yearly for the privilege of driving on crappy roads in my state. Any governmental “fee” is a piggy bank to find the money they waste. It Will go up. There is no reason any of this should apply to someone flying a toy on their own property at or below tree top level. None
We pay taxes for this SHIT!!!!
Thank you for your most informative video. Please keep up the good work.
This is bull sick of the gov take everything away from Americans for the big money company’s
Ken, the question many of us want to know is…
In Standard Remote ID mode – Can you fly if you have ZERO Internet/Cell Connectivity?
This is so great! All you aerial photography noobs won’t drop out of the sky on my car! Or fly into my plane Killing everyone while your looking 15x focus at your cat sitting on your balcony 2 miles away….Sorry but keeping heavy flying objects that aren’t even looking where they are going out of the hands of total idiots sounds like a great idea to me! Us fpv racers can now push 4” props at over 80mph using only 4s batteries under 250grams! Fun and safe! Just like Rc toys have always been under responsible hands…Things just keep looking up for those of us who keep looking where we are going! Grow up, smarten up, and get with the times. We aren’t letting you fly wrecking balls around our expensive insured stuff. Sorry. I don’t care how responsible you sound or how thick your glasses are but insurance policies aren’t going to change for your toy. If you want to fly then fly….nothing stopping you at all under 250g anymore so just do it and stop complaining. If you want to be a pilot than great be a pilot! Not quickshipped from banggood sorry no….those planes aren’t allowed in our airspace….I think if they were smart they would be focusing on the business piece for example a formula relative to air hours and income gained…..once you make a certain income via a business you now need to pay taxes under said new category and thus have seeked an appropriate taxation ID number…..so many flaws I know but an idea …the real threats percentage driven and are people I think like you trying to make money through aerial photography and are willing to do so at other risk….you telling me you haven’t done aerial shots of a land title or home for a real estate company? If you getting paid you doing it often you need to do it right because your opportunity for accident is higher. I could take my old man out and fire guns off in the crown land forest without a problem……..but if I start a business frequently taking old people without gun licenses out to shoot in the public crown land ….someone is gonna get hurt.
OK Ken … What if you have an older DJI Mavic Pro, can you still comply with this stupid regulation? Do I need to add something to my Mavic? OR, is this something DJI will plant in my controller during an update? Looking forward to your reply. This is BULLSHIT!
Herding all non-compliant drones into the stockyard is not the answer. Attempting to do this will drive the hobbyist underground or under the RADAR, so to speak…pun intended. It’s irritating the watch them tailor this legislation to the 1 percent, who pay the least amount of tax. Superpacs and other corporate donors have a disproportionately large ‘vote,’ which is really sad.
I’m with you Ken.
The technology really is not there.
I can fly an ultralight, unregistered, no collision lights or strobe, in the sky. No transponder….
But, I can’t fly a device, unmanned, with strobes, with a marked registration number, 400 feet off the ground.
It’s so unrealistic.
Sorry I went off
This country is slowly turning to shit with rule’s, regulation’s and fee’s for every single thing you do. When the government destroys this country with it’s greed for power, control and money they’ll sell it to China and go live with their pocket’s full of money while US citizens rot and learn a new socialist or communist or whatever gov is in China today. We might as well use the bill of rights to wipe our ass with the gov will and is dictating everything we do. The day will come ALL states will succeed from federal government creating a civil war that will destroy the entire country with self implosion.
Here’s what they can do that would be reasonable:
* Have the drone’s serial number included in the broadcasts that the drone already makes, to communicate with the controller. (Do drones already do this? Is that how a drone is paired with its controller?)
* At places such as airports, where they don’t want hobbyists flying drones, they can have equipment that can simply detects drones, and provides their serial number, location info, etc. to law enforcement.
Result of this would be that people who do stupid things with drones could receive an appropriate consequence, without imposing a significant burden on either the drone manufacturers or the hobbyists, and no “Big Brother” spying on each and every drone flight made by law-abiding drone pilots.
Thoughts?
Read This then -back to that we got to have a “license plate” in the sky as we have on the highways ? And this is good for everyone ideology ? Really ? Well, no one is broadcasting their personal information OR where you are driving down the highway with that license plate attached….( Big Difference ) and FYI WE pay for the highways, our taxes pay for the upkeep , and we have rights on that highway because of it….( and no it is NOT a “privilege” it is indeed a Paid Right ….the privilege is those who sacrificed to ensure that RIGHT )
SO….. since we pay for ALL things FAA with tax dollars , fee’s “registrations” ….we also have a RIGHT to the sky *cough* highway…….
Trucking companies etc , do not have any more rights then little Suzy’s VW traveling on highways…{ in fact in many cases they have less}
This NPRM Remote ID gives “.Preferential Treatment” to Commercial drone entities and throws little Suzy’s Hobby under the Bus….and or forces her into *la la* AMA only land ( forced CBO membership btw is also illegal and violates the Constition [ think Obamacare mandate now adjudicated as Unconstitutional thus removed ] do you see that fact ?)….and it denies Suzy’s rights Under such regulation already established not to mention US Laws the FAA violates within this outrageous proposal .
And I will remind everyone reading this and I will use my area as an example…in my State we still have many communities that do not even have running water and it is 2020….and most have NO internet or Cell service, so many areas are blank….SO because of that we can not fly ? really ?
.And there will NEVER be no delivery drones where I am and the majority of my State…and yet we are told the FAA owns all the NAS to the ground..BUT past court rulings and the Constitution itself which Judges quoted many times have proven that assumption by the FAA is untrue and IF they demand that space on OUR Private lands WE must be compensated BY them….4th amendments taking clause for instance .[ most all ( not all ) But MOST of the Land Owner/Government case rulings fell under that clause and the owner compensated ] and btw most of those cases also were near airports all controlled space …Not out on the middle of no where , you know the G space ? lol
and Lyle appears to be a …..well ..history of TV…cable allowed me to stop going to Two Pole Antenna’s outside twisting and turning to get a clear picture . And foil on rabbit ears that fell off after you got so mad for moving them around and around and around. on my B&W TV……Even paying for cable became a benefit .as did Color TV, we also now have Phone and internet service from that same cable company and here they are the ONLY provider around here ………SO..
The cost has risen of course ( which btw we all know Remote ID will over time as well.).think registration for $5 dollars , now to registering EVERY Aircraft you fly PLUS pay for some third party to monitor you at what cost FAA ?…..THIS Remote ID does not benefit Hobbyists in ANY MANNER….paid or unpaid….it throws the Hobby in the dump with the Large metal pole antenna’s . So whoever Lyle is, it sounded sweet ,BUT …..the comparison…well not so much there buddy. ……Sorry Heron.I do not agree .
The Only hope is either we explain to the FAA ( who also btw says they KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OUR HOBBY or How it works ) How it actually works and step into each and every Line of this Ambiguous proposal . and address them in a manner even they can understand . And IF they still can not or will not I suggest every hobbyist, every Hobby entity , Hobby shop owners etc etc ban together in EVERY STATE and file law suits and address the actual Unlawful actions within this proposal .and the damages it does to every Hobbyist . IF every Hobby entity and in every State comments and or would have to file such suits , that will speak volumes .
I live in Colorado and frequently fly my drone on BLM or National Forest (NOT National Park) land. Often there is no cell coverage in these remote areas. It is NUTS to think I would no longer be able to do this because it is to remote and there is no cell coverage. (It is pretty much impossible to do any harm with a drone in such a remote area.)
I’m an Avionics installer and from my understanding, they basically want anything that flies to have ADS-B. I can’t argue against having a location reporting system on drones, but I can argue that if this were to come to fruition, I would expect the large drone companies to get bigger, small companies to die, and recreational flying would be for the rich and famous due to the increases in cost of production. So with that said, I will submit an official form to try to diminish this new rule as well as talk to my local FAA man when he comes by next about it
My weight scale stops at 0.55 pounds.
Tin foil hat theory. Do you think the mystery drone sitings in Nebraska and Colorado during the comment period of this law is designed to artificially generate public comment in support of the new proposal? Seems too convenient to me.
please don’t say alexa out loud again
Are you from the Seattle area? I notice Redmond sweater.
They going to clip my props.
Alexa, who is Jeff Bezos?
ALEXA: “Jeff Bezos is evil incarnate and cannot be trusted as far as you could throw him.”
LMAO subbed
They should keep the big companies on the ground. I fly as a hobbyist and I fly around a pasture that my wifes uncle owns to check to see if there is any cattle left in the pasture after moving them. Limiting hobbyists to 400ft from their current location would just make that impossible.
Peaceful non compliance. Don’t by drones from companies that build remote ID technology in them. The FAA Reauthorization Act needs to be challenged and needs a hobbyist lobby to keep them in check. I already have issues flying my drone in my town due to Trump getting a 30mile NFZ around him. I don’t understand how we let a three letter agency making and enforcing law. Where are all the victims of drone violations that justify adding any law in the first place.
“We do need to have some ID system for drones.” You are completely wrong about this. Name one time that a drone or RC aircraft has caused a full sized aircraft to crash. I heard this same kind of talk back in the early days of drone/FPV flight with RCAPA and the like. They wanted to capitulate with the FAA, and work toward a compromise. Look where that got us. You have to get out of the mindset that the FAA gives a crap about us. They are only interested in banning us entirely to make way for big money. Why else would they not even follow proper rulemaking procedures, and NOT do a scientific study of what dangers drones really cause? Because they know there is no real danger. It’s made up by the media, and big tech to get us out of the way. We should be pressing a no compromise fact check on these government bureaucrats. And get the word out about their dishonesty. By the way. If you think drones are dangerous now. Wait until full scale, autonomous , behemoths, carrying 12 pound packages are falling out of the sky.
A similar thing just happened with real airplanes at the beginning of 2020. It is called ADS-B. It’s great and sure makes things safer. I think done right, Remote I.D. will be good.
Freaking government always wanting to make people’s lives harder just because. The US was first to come up with the idea of regulating drones, then they did it here in Canada too, then the US came up with stricter rules, then so did Canada, then the US came up with even more rules, then Canada decided to make it so you need a license and to register each drone (basically treating them like guns). Now this. They just keep try to 1 up each other in how worse they can be. Just leave people alone FFS. Deal with the few bad apples and leave the other ones alone. I hate how governments always try to put their hands in everything.
Yep, its time to fight da man!
So, here I am one my own land, only flying well within my own property lines and usually below treetops. But, since I am out in the sticks, I have no way to tell big brother I am out here because wifi will not reach to area of my property I fly in. Another part of my property has a lake with wild Canada geese on it most days. I wonder if amazon sends one of their drones across the lake and spook the geese, can I drop a dime on Bezos for harassing wildlife?
There is about .00000001% of the FAA changing this rule even if they get million commits. Good luck
Ken, NO we don’t need ANY kind of remote ID. Private pilots in an ACTUAL MANNED AIRCRAFT only need a transponder transmitting the code 1200 to let ATC know where the aircraft is. The government does NOT need to know any personal information about the drone OR where it is operating from beyond the fact that there is an aircraft (UAS) operating under VFR. PERIOD! Please get behind backing UAS pilots and not capitulating.
I challenge anyone to show me anything that the government is involved with that they didn’t screw up royally
This should be commercial drones only
I just don’t see any reason why our drones need to broadcast identification let alone its location. I can’t see how they’re dangerous enough to justify that. There may be millions registered (and many more not) but I very seldom see another in the air.
i remember before Vista came out it was supposed to keep you from playing DVDs that were copied, recording TV shows/movies and burning to a DVD . so anything copyrighted could not be copied…….never happened.
there is no way to defeat the tyranny coming. people are waaaay too stuck in the matrix. “ignorance is bliss”
It will be the end of our Hobby. I have over 400 R/C Aircraft and over 20 Multi rotors. I agree that it should only apply to Commercial applications. They are even saying that I can only fly at my AMA Field. This is completely WRONG…..
We need to fight for our rights, to FLY……
So frustrated that this “Rule” is happening. Drones are not RC planes, Planes are NOT drones. Heli’s are NOT drones!!! We need to clarify this FIRST!
@ 10:16 – AMEN!!!
We need to found the NDA ( National Drone Association ) to make our voice heard!!!! Just like the NRA works for the gun owners.
screw them i will not follow any of these to fly fpv let them come find me this has gone way to far and is out of control so ill all airhogs have this also lol if 50 thousand people refuse to abide by this it will never work just say no bottom line
i dont pay for tv either lyle lol thanks ken good video about this
This guy got kicked off dronepilots for his opinion. Evidently some of the posters on this site are “drones” for big business and the faa.
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It’s so funny to see how corporate/governmental tactics generally take the same form across a wide array of issues. We’ve seen marginalization, mocking, gaslighting, condescension, and outright hostility and personal attacks from the resident corporatist tweedle dee and tweedle dum. If you dare oppose Amazon you’ll be essentially called stupid (repeated assertions of “you just don’t/refuse to understand). There will be constant implicit insinuations and explicit declarations that you are a nutball conspiracy theorist (making it a point to ask you “who are ‘they'” when it’s clear the speaker is talking about government and its entities, or who does “their” refer to.) FB commenters are conspiracy nuts by definition somehow, even though it’s real people using real names and not hiding behind a wall of anonymity sharing their dissatisfaction. Attempts to silence (“just stop,” baseless character attacks, questioning of intellectual integrity). Future legal challenges? Ehh, come on don’t bother, no chance of winning, it’s a “pipe dream.” Just lay down and take it, stop all this individualistic thinking. You’ll be told that what’s plain in front of your eyes just ain’t so. You must be a little schizo to believe your eyes and ears, here’s a nice ration of talking points for you, should make you alllll better: “safely (make sure to repeat that word many times) integrate into the NAS, relatively easy way to comply…” When people point out that giving up all privacy rights is not exactly “relatively easy,” ahh that’s when the real insinuations of sinister intent come in: Why you must be a law breaker. Why does it bother you so much that Big Brother knows your every move, huh? It’s for your own good pawn. No good reason to be against giving up all privacy rights unless you have (let’s all say it together) something to hide. Of course, the fact that that’s an exact reversal of how this really works means nothing to tweedle dee and tweedle dum. The onus is not on the citizen to justify his need for privacy, the onus is on the government to justify its need to track the citizen. But that’s rational thinking, and we can’t have that! Amazon has packages to deliver.
Ken. All this in the name of safety. Where are the people who have died or for that matter been hurt by hobby drones. Where are the planes that have been brought down by hobby drones. Where is the FAA getting that hobby drones r so dangerous. Where are they’re statistics on all the drone incidences that have made this hobby so dangerous to the general public.
the only thing that they’ll be taking out of MY cold dead hands is THEIR tube socks that DIDN’T get delivered.
Pretty soon kids are going to need a licence to throw a fcking ball around. “Lets go out and play baseball Billy” don’t forget your fcking GPS tracker to put on the ball. Might hit a goddamn plane or something.
So far the decisions that have been made just dont seem to come from anyone that understands anything about the rc hobby. Every time I fly my mavic through the woods on my own property while wearing my goggles its considered illegal. I dont know anyone that would want to come be a spotter when I fly anyway. None of that makes any sense. I like my older copters better which did not have a phone connected but had return to home that worked great and I used fatshark goggles to fly it. If this keeps up I will go back to that type. Some of us have been in this hobby a long time so the fight will be on when companies try and steal our airspace like they have already done in other countries. I started flying model planes about 40 years ago and then got into rc nitro helicopters. I flew quadcopters for years before I ever heard the word drone used on them. That came from the media and should have been kept a military word. They pass laws all the time that the majority do not agree with. A fun hobby under attack now after all the years of safe flying. The hobby kept many in my area out of trouble because they had something fun to do. Our flying field is closed now after flyers found out about the illegal excessive fines we were threatened with if we didnt register and pay money. I think that changed the attitude of the honest safe hobbyist.
Our government in action. The “Yes you CAN spam act” of 2003? Has totally fixed… spam. Right? And today, they’re working hard, yes they are, at fixing all these damn telemarketers. Yeah. Sure they are. And have telemarketing calls gone down? Nope. Only technology will fix the issue. And what is in the way of using that technology? More government.
Government is worse than useless. My dad used to say “you never saw a politician go to washington broke, and come back broke” – they always came back millionaires with lifetime medical. Because they are professional thieves. Same with judges. You have all the justice you can afford. If you can afford to grease the palms of judges and lawyers, you can afford better justice. We have the best CONgress that money can buy.
Of course, these days, politicians should get acting lessons from hollywood – the politicians in office these days are HORRIBLE actors. All this posturing. Makes me sick. Personally, I hope an asteroid takes out DC when CONgress is in session. I really hate those lying stinking bastards, who offload their job (writing laws) to big corporations.
This new FAA law is just like the IRS tax code. A confusing sh*tpile of words, 10% of what you have to pay, and 90% of how to get out of it. If they’d make it a flat 10% of what you purchased, it would significantly reduce the cost of government.
My momma told me monsters didn’t exist. She forgot that vampires (lawyers, politicians, government) on the neck of America did exist, and is sucking it dry.
Why did you PIN someone’s comment. That has already thrown in the towel. ??? Not very wise. You have titled your video with ( how we win).
Fight to make this reasonable just like General Aviation (which is tracked by ID… we can see commercial and general aviation equally) and yes the operator has to pay for the compliance to ID. Hobbiest and the commercial operators need to find a common ground so all benefit, else commercial will just own everything. DOD aviation is always separate with aviation.
So many screens !!!
Same FAA that OKed the Boeing 737 Max ???…ya, got it….safety first….no incompetence there.
Sqwak 1200 and ident…………. quick launch the fighters the UAS did not comply!
New ATC Towers to pop up all over the US to control drone airspace. Hey next they will demand flight physicals
REMOTE ID will kill the hobby. It is much bigger than most of the commenters comprehend. In a nutshell, the REMOTE ID push is draped in “safety”. It’s real purpose is to clear the skies of those pesky hobbyists on behalf of corporate interests like Amazon, Boeing, etc. As for evil-doers, whether it’s using a car, a baseball bat, a kitchen knife or a drone… you can’t legislate away evil.
It’s great that hobbyists are “banding together”, but the only way that we stand a chance of shaping this initiative is through MONEY. BIG MONEY.
Every company involved with RC needs to join a unified political action group. BIG hitters like DJI, Futaba, Spektrum, Align and others need to step up and pool funds to pay for the lobbyists and lawyers that are required to make a change in the direction that this REMOTE ID juggernaut is headed. The clock is ticking.
the problem with adding a transponder or all that is that light weight, small acrobatics drones will how have a lot more weight. that means that certain small builds will be impossible (burnt motors or esc’s), shorter flight times, or just suffering maneuverability, which would only be fixed by adding stronger motors and esc’s… which adds more weight and eats up batteries even faster and some frames are unable to carry larger motors, such as 3 inch frames.
It’s so funny we fpv have the sky figured out more then they do
Much like gun laws or any other laws implemented, they restrict the law abiding citizens while the criminals still don’t comply. Let’s limit law abiding citizens and continue to let criminals do as they please. I understand the concept of requiring ID’s for the instances where people are doing idiotic things with their drone and need to be identified; however if those same people don’t care enough to not do stupid things with their drones, I guarantee they won’t register or comply with having their drone ID’d or any other laws/rules. Once again this ties the hands of law abiding citizens/pilots!
As with all laws and regulations they come about because of irresponsible behavior. Can we trust the FAA to be realistic, probably not.
NZ is looking at making all drones (Whoops/Haha yer right) carry a 58g self powered, completely independent device that you just strap to your drone and it’s basically a Transponder like full size aircraft use. It transmits location, ID, speed, altitude etc… oh and your name! My largest drones are 3 inch racing/freestyle drones and 58g would completely F$#%K up my drones, 58g are they for real, man it pisses me off. Right now I have to log a flight plan and call twice (to the control tower) taking off and landing. That includes flying a 65mm whoop in my garden, what a load of crap! If a neighbor that already hates the sound of your drone (I live in the country) and they see you flying it they can very easily report you, that’s fine but only if you have your ass covered and have filed a plan, if you haven’t you are in major shit. That gives so much power to Drone Haters, you don’t even need to call anyone they can report you online in seconds.
Emily is using her UAS to take selfies? Huh….the FAA might be a tad out of touch as too what drones are used for….
This is the nail in the coffin, where money and intel is involved they cash in. I’m just starting out flying a drone, seems they just want intel and money but I don’t think this compares to the cable tv scenario. Just got the Hubsan Zeno after my csj-X7 decided to return to China.
“We’re from the government and we’re here to help.”
Meh, buy the parts and build your own.
Which I don’t see this bill being worth much more than toilet paper where I’m located.
I think this is just busy work bureaucracy.
You know, when you produce a bill that no one likes to draw attention and make it look like you’re doing something.
Some days I just wish we had a new government because this one is wasting our time and money.
I’m looking forward to the massive law suit the FAA is gonna have to deal with!
WE’RE AMERICANS! NO ONE PUSHES US AROUND WITHOUT ONE HELL OF A FIGHT!!!
Tell Amazon to fly around my drone, we were here first!!! Don’t make us go cilvil war #2 to remind our government who it’s people are!!
The FAA should put transponders on geese so they know were they are and be sure to register your kite. I think I will start sending the FAA weekly stool samples.
This will be nothing more then the 70s version of a CB radio licence. Everyone will just fly, and china drones with zero ID will be in the skys…
section 64:
“Patty is unable to connect to Alpha, Inc. at the time of takeoff due to a disruption in Alpha’s service, but Bravo is also experiencing problems. There are no other publicly available Remote ID USS. Because Patty’s UAS is designed not to take off when it has access to the internet but is not connected to a Remote ID USS, her unmanned aircraft would not take off. Her service would be interrupted until Alpha, Bravo, or another publicly available USS became available.”
What is this nonsense? So if the third party screws up, no one using their service will be able to fly their drone? That is broken. And they know it.
With around 235,000 members, the AMA is nobody these days. Ken has half that in subs. Flight Test has over 1.5 million subs….
Wait, cars driving on roads… and unlicensed bikes riding on the roads… hmmmm ok. Good logic there.
This is got to be the dumbest idea ever.
Just the fact they are controlling the airspace at all besides just monitoring it for safety purposes is very concerning….. In mean how many serious accidents occur yearly due to drones flying around unmonitored? Nothing the government does benefits “we the people” with whom they supposedly work on behalf of, and little by little we are losing any control we have of our own lives. The less government interference the better off we are. and yet they try to convince us we aren’t capable of managing our basic human rights. Why aren’t they monitored and regulated by us if they truly work for us?
I didn’t see anything here talking about how to defeat a FAA drone ID. I do understand how these new regulations will make you bend over and take it from the govt without even a reach around but let’s hear more about how we’re going to bypass these Bozos and less about how mad we are about getting gigged.
This is the people air space not Amazon or big government
The FAA is REQUIRED to read public comments but remember one “little” thing…
They are NOT required to do what is NOT in THEIR best interests!!!!!!!
Let’s not waste ANY more of our time!!!
Let’s do something about this LEGALLY!!!
Let’s start with a petition and then send that to the LAWMAKERS in Congress that are SUPPOSED to be listening to what the PEOPLE want since the PEOPLE are in fact the GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!
change.org
Enough said, let’s do this NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi, I’m from Italy, here the new European drone legislation is in effect and it’s identical to FAA proposed one. It looks to me that this has been already agreed among different aviation authorities worldwide and it won’t be changed. In short, a transition interval toward the full legislation is in effect here but from 1 July 2020 no one with a self build drone can fly anywhere other than as a member of a “legally recognized sport association” and in designed airfields. Cameras can’t be used on self build drones as fpv is totally forbidden. Nice video, cheers…
Ken, maybe start a go fund me to raise money for an attorney to address this. In your position you might be able to raise the most? Or is this unrealistic?
You are doing God’s work. I love you.
This legislation is all about revenue and control. Surprised the FAA idiots haven’t tried to license birds…….!
As long as I am not physically hurting anyone, this ADULT will continue to do as I please per the Declaration of Independence. Period.
Only 5800 comments posted on the FAA website. If we want to change or get rid of this law, and save our hobby, we need as many comments as we can get. Responsibilities fall on us as US citizens to protect our rights and values. Don’t let a rule proposed by the FAA, and backed by billion dollar companies, destroy what we all love the most. Please post your concerns.
Thanks Ken, my Alexa is now explaining who Jeff Bezos is…… ?
I am a addict of my Mavic Pro love it!!!! There are laws now that you can’t fly over 400 feet high,,,, that is the Drone’s air space. And to show the world that i am flying my drone,, No fu-king way !! And if i have to get it fixed so i can fly,, the government going to pay for it???
Put your tax dollars into something else that’s more important!!!!
That drone business in CO is a government operation to let the media discredit drone flyers so that the faa can ramrod their proposal through. When is the last we can purchase a drone without drone id. What do we have to buy to get a non-updateable drone. The ama is a phony org and not worth our time to even mention, haven’t heard a peep out of them about the proposal.
FAA are back in Tim they still old days is soo anviwe thing
Before I watch the video, I bet this clickbait is just Ken telling us to comment on the FAA proposal, in which the comments won’t affect their opinion.
Here’s how it goes, once the FAA gives us IDs or regulates who can fly, all of a sudden we need to pay for registration and have less rights. Fuck that.
undocumented people ok… undocumented toy bad… got it
I already told them to pound sand, and contacted my elected representatives encouraging them to stop this. Laws that are unenforceable, and laws that required collection of information using the Internet is a huge violating of the 4th Amendment at the least. And they won’t get in your show, because the ones that have the authority in the cases don’t want the kickback. And I don’t agree, with Technology where it’s at they can require firmware that keeps them away from flight areas, plus within hours of them locking it down hacks can be put in. And all I’d need to know to stop that communication is the networking ports it operates on and on a Android phone you could block it… Should this go in to effect I’ll be sure to share a guide on to secure your phone and network communication methods. Encrypted or not, don’t matter it can be stopped from being sent out. And that’s just another reason this is not enforceable.
Regarding the part that says if no connection can be established then it won’t take off. Well the magic of networking means we can just block the outgoing data, if the aircraft needs ” Permission ” from the FAA digitally that can be managed via privet sector patch’s or could just be as simple as spoofing an ACK reponce. (google, TCP ACK,SYC,ACK,ACK) and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Sure they could create a secure tolken similar to what two factor authentication uses. But once again with physical control of the actual device it’s all a simple matter of rolling back the firmware OR forwarding the communication to a spoofed authentication server… Or just better yet, stop buying store bought drones, and make one for half the cost and all the same features. They are trying very hard to control something that for all accountability of free citizens is beyond them to control. Many DJI drones already have a lot of the features they are trying to create a law from, and I’m sure when all you deal with is Air Space, the privet sector drones appear to be a problem, but on the grand scale of things I seriously doubt the number of people misusing a drone warrants the kind of resources the FAA will have to invest to make this work like they want are going to be worth it, and just piss of a bunch of privet sector people slow the development of the Technology and harm the market that is currently supporting it….But hey, all the FAA jackwaggons writing this law care about is the enforcement and control aspect.
this is ridiculous to me as an fpv pilot, it is very rare for me to fly over even 50 feet, i am all for remote id on heights that would be a danger to aircraft but dont lump us in with the delivery and ap drones please.
This reminds me of the initial introduction to the BarryCare legislation (aka ObamaCare). There was such a disdain for it, that there weren’t nearly enough legislatures on board to vote and pass it into law. So, for a year after it was introduced, several legislators were continually bribed with billions in US dollars, until they finally relented. Without an entire year of bribery, the bill would never have been supported by our so-called “representatives”. This FAA proposal is not about safety, it’s about taking away our legal right and freedom to fly, and turning the skies over to the government and deep-pocketed commercial operators. That’s it, in a nutshell.
My comment submitted with the FAA-
“In the end, an industry created and
enjoyed by millions of free Americans will be destroyed by
overbearing government bureaucrats, if your proposal (or anything
that resembles it), passes. The proposed regulation will not make
the skies or people safer. R/C aircraft have been safely operating in
U.S. airspace (virtually unregulated), for many decades. The safety
record for R/C aircraft is far greater than that of full-size
aircraft. When the number of R/C aircraft is compared to that of
full-size aircraft, the safety record between the two is
incomparable.
If the FAA’s goal is not to destroy an industry, but to create
safer skies over America, than your current proposal should be
immediately trash-canned. Any attempt to create new regulation should
include the input (from the very beginning), from Americans of whom
will be affected by such regulation. America is a Republic, where the
people of the nation rule. Let’s allow the good people of America to
be the deciders of what’s safe for them, and what is not. Allowing
the lobbyists of large, deep-pocketed companies to dictate the rules,
and have the FAA implement them, is tyranny.
Your proposal as it currently reads, does not serve the people,
and is a No-Go. Throw it away.”
(I’ve never been one to beat around the bush when confronting bullies; just get straight to the point)
Nothing is needed it’s a camera in public space no “license plate” no Ids no nothing is needed
Just had an idea RC hot air ballons
Since the average person can throw a baseball 45 feet high, Perhaps the FAA should now require that all baseballs have built in remote IDs, and all birds should also be equipped with such a device.
If this was really just about a safer air space, you would think the FAA would pass a no license classification for any drone that flies under 50 feet, and lift the license requirements for commercial photography.
God, and there are how many bicycles on the road being ridden by how many unregistered and unlicensed people? No, you shouldn’t have to license and register a toy. The idea that the government needs to be involved in the hobby is already telling the government that we need someone looking over our shoulders to make sure we aren’t being bad. Also how are you going to enforce a law that has no control over the ability for someone to make an rc airplane or drone and fly it?
One of the only places where commercial drone operations will make sense are in undeveloped areas where it’s easier to cross short distances by drone rather than car. But if connection to an identification station is required for this to work, then those services will basically be shut down. So this regulation would actually kill one of the only areas where commercial delivery drone operations may actually be practical, instead of a marketing stunt.
Amazon isn’t going to replace delivery drivers with cargo drones. They and Google talk about it enough, but it’s simply impractical. At best this is simply a marketing stunt gone too far, handled by people too dazzled by the futuristic vision to realize that it’s currently impractical to the point of being impossible. At worst it’s a land grab by the mega corporations who are seizing the 0-400 foot airspace in anticipation of one day having a use for it, at which point there’ll be no pesky little people to get in the way. Kind of like how I’m sure FedEx’s job now would be a lot easier if there were no private citizens on the road.
Ken, I need some feedback from you and others to help me know if I am off-base here before I comment to the FAA
Basically I see this proposal as shortsighted for two reasons.
First, its premise is wrong. It SAYS it is all about safety, but instead it is about regulation. Does the FAA want to make the skies safer, or does it want to IDENTIFY who is flying so they can regulate them? In the general aviation (GA) world, airplanes identify their positions using ADSB in and out. It works! It does identify the type of aircraft, where they are in the sky, and general info about what flight number. Beyond that, why does anyone need to know more info? And yet, they are proposing WAY MORE INFO to be broadcast for drones. Soo I ask why? IF it is about safety, then the ADSB method (which already exists) should suffice.
My second concern is about mandating the KIND of technology we must use in advance. No piece of legislation should EVER decide what technology should be used. By its very nature, technology changes rapidly. Ever hear of Moore’s Law?
Your thoughts please??
Hi Ken. I am an new subscriber, this is the first of your videos I have watched. I was hoping for that magic bullet – “How to DEFEAT IT” in the description. Sadly it was not there. I do disagree with one of your comments, a comment that sounded to me like an attempt to make nice with the FAA, the digital license plate thing. Well I guess I only partially disagree. I do think that any UAV that is used for commercial purposes should have some sort of digital license. I won’t go into all my thoughts on that subject.
There is one point that I would like to make, something I have not heard yet from anyone else. A common thread between all of us flying for recreation and the current commercial sector. An inspector flying a power line, a realtor taking photos of a property, me flying at my local AMA club field, a kid flying his plane in the park or a group racing drones in a stadium. In all cases there is a person either in direct control of or actively monitoring the craft. The class of craft that the FAA should be concerned about and writing regulations for are those that are truly autonomous. Aircraft going about their business without a person actively controlling or at the very least monitoring it. Peering into the sky of the future what do you think we will see? I suspect that for delivery drones to be profitable they will increase in size and weight, a craft that truly does pose a threat to other aircraft, manned and unmanned, persons and property on the ground.
Thanks for being a voice for the rest of us!
Ed
LETS STAND UP AND FIGHT
How many of us have purchased a new drone or five and just out of curiosity have tried to fly the thing out to the edge of the earths atmosphere to see if we could do it not once, not twice, but many many times. Me! You! Pretty much everyone that has a drone with the ability of what DJI’s drones can do. Now multiply that breach of the FAA’s laws dozens of times per drone owner for each of the hundreds of thousands of drone owners. And we did it just for fun. Once again the law catches up with dummies like us and we don’t like it one bit. Like gun laws, drunken driving laws, trespassing laws etc… But we sure have fun.
Hey Ken is there a sample reply we can use (in our own words) so we can submit them? being new (ish) to the Drone community, I am concerned and would like to contribute my response so the FAA considers abandoning this ridiculous Cluster F@#* but on the other hand want it to sound proper and not like some kid yelling with e temper tantrum… Thanks
What are you talking about hobbyist drones needing a “license plate’? You cannot compare a hobbyist’s activity to a vehicle traveling on public roads transporting PEOPLE, they are two completely different things. How about you try to make a more realistic comparison. Hmmmm what other popular recreational activity might the general masses identify with? Why don’t you do a comparison with ALCOHOL for example, a popular recreational activity?
We have the statistics regarding that recreational activity don’t we? While there are some legislated requirements regarding it’s use, and statistics clearly indicated a need for such legislation, there are not years of sound statistics indicating a need for hobbyist models to be registered or for remote identity.
Despite the harm alcohol causes society, which statistics clearly indicate, harm like, DESTROYED VEHICLES, PERSONAL INJURY, LIFE ALTERING INJURY, DEATH, INCREASED VIOLENT BEHAVIOR, ABUSE, ADDICTION, ETC. . somehow I have yet to be required to REGISTER as a user of alcohol? I have not been required to take any TEST before I could legally use alcohol, I am not required to keep a LOG BOOK of when and where I use the alcohol?
How about my bicycle? Many people are killed every year on their bicycles aren’t they? Many are injured every year on or by bicycles? Certainly far more than will EVER likely be injured or killed by a hobbyists model? Odd there are no such requirements for my bicycle?
Given the statistics there likely is NO SOUND EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THE NEED FOR ANY OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS DONE, AND/OR IS PROPOSING regarding hobbyists activities. There is plenty of legislation that already exists in regards to personal responsibility , personal injury, property damage, etc. that could easily already appropriately deal with any incidents involving hobbyist models that might be presented in a court of law.
Again PRETENDING that this entire issue has anything to do with PUBLIC SAFETY is a JOKE, and you of all people should be painfully aware nothing could be further from the truth! This is about greed, corporate profit, the theft of THE PEOPLES airspace, corruption in government, and taking a potential powerful weapon of TRUTH, out of the hands of as many people as possible, as TRUTH shall now be determined by the government ONLY!
Imagine 911 taking place today for example, or imagine the NEXT FALSE FLAG that will undoubtedly take place in the future, (maybe Virginia very soon).
Do you think the government likes the idea of citizens being able to zip in with a drone, capture footage they certainly do not want anyone viewing, then just able to disappear, and they have no idea who may be in possession of evidence clearly showing the truth of the event? Of course not, they want to be able to bring up a data sheet, and see exactly who in the area might possess such gear, and where they can be found so that gear maybe seized, under the guise of NATIONAL SECURITY of course, JUST LIKE THEY DID THE MORNING OF 911 TO ANY BUSINESS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PENTAGON WITH SECURITY CAMERAS WHICH MIGHT HAVE SHOWN THE TRUTH………………………..NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON! They had government THUGS/THIEVES steal all these businesses security camera footage UNDER THE GUISE OF NATIONAL SECURITY!
All we have to do is make it UNDERSTOOD, if we see any commercial drones what so ever in OUR skies, (NOT THE GOVERNMENTS SKIES), we will do what ever we possibly can to BRING THEM DOWN, AND SEE THAT THEY ARE DESTROYED! They will do little, if anything to improve our lives, we will see little if any benefit. Only corrupt, criminal corporations will benefit/profit, AT OUR EXPENSE. They take away, legislate my present hobby out of existence, I will get a new hobby! TAKING DOWN AS MANY COMMERCIAL DRONES AS I POSSIBLY CAN, AND SHARING ANY STRATEGIES USED TO DO SO WITH AS MANY OTHERS AS I POSSIBLY CAN!
What are you talking about hobbyist drones needing a “license plate’? You cannot compare a hobbyist’s activity to a vehicle traveling on public roads transporting PEOPLE, they are two completely different things. How about you try to make a more realistic comparison. Hmmmm what other popular recreational activity might the general masses identify with? Why don’t you do a comparison with ALCOHOL for example, a popular recreational activity?
We have the statistics regarding that recreational activity don’t we? While there are some legislated requirements regarding it’s use, and statistics clearly indicated a need for such legislation, there are not years of sound statistics indicating a need for hobbyist models to be registered or for remote identity.
Despite the harm alcohol causes society, which statistics clearly indicate, harm like, DESTROYED VEHICLES, PERSONAL INJURY, LIFE ALTERING INJURY, DEATH, INCREASED VIOLENT BEHAVIOR, ABUSE, ADDICTION, ETC. . somehow I have yet to be required to REGISTER as a user of alcohol? I have not been required to take any TEST before I could legally use alcohol, I am not required to keep a LOG BOOK of when and where I use the alcohol, under threat of stiff fines no less.
How about my bicycle? Many people are killed every year on their bicycles aren’t they? Many are injured every year on or by bicycles? Certainly far more than will EVER likely be injured or killed by a hobbyists model? Odd there are no such requirements for my bicycle?
Given the statistics there likely is NO SOUND EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THE NEED FOR ANY OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS DONE, AND/OR IS PROPOSING regarding hobbyists activities. There is plenty of legislation that already exists in regards to personal responsibility , personal injury, property damage, etc. that could easily already appropriately deal with any incidents involving hobbyist models that might be presented in a court of law.
Again PRETENDING that this entire issue has anything to do with PUBLIC SAFETY is a JOKE, and you of all people should be painfully aware nothing could be further from the truth! This is about greed, corporate profit, the theft of THE PEOPLES airspace, corruption in government, and taking a potential powerful weapon of TRUTH, out of the hands of as many people as possible, as TRUTH shall now be determined by the government ONLY!
Imagine 911 taking place today for example, or imagine the NEXT FALSE FLAG that will undoubtedly take place in the future, (maybe Virginia very soon).
Do you think the government likes the idea of citizens being able to zip in with a drone, capture footage they certainly do not want anyone viewing, then just able to disappear, and they have no idea who may be in possession of evidence clearly showing the truth of the event? Of course not, they want to be able to bring up a data sheet, and see exactly who in the area might possess such gear, and where they can be found so that gear maybe seized, under the guise of NATIONAL SECURITY of course, JUST LIKE THEY DID THE MORNING OF 911 TO ANY BUSINESS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PENTAGON WITH SECURITY CAMERAS WHICH MIGHT HAVE SHOWN THE TRUTH………………………..NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON! They had government THUGS/THIEVES steal all these businesses security camera footage UNDER THE GUISE OF NATIONAL SECURITY!
All we have to do is make it UNDERSTOOD, if we see any commercial drones what so ever in OUR skies, (NOT THE GOVERNMENTS SKIES), we will do what ever we possibly can to BRING THEM DOWN, AND SEE THAT THEY ARE DESTROYED! They will do little, if anything to improve our lives, we will see little if any benefit. Only corrupt, criminal corporations will benefit/profit, AT OUR EXPENSE. They take away, legislate my present hobby out of existence, I will get a new hobby! TAKING DOWN AS MANY COMMERCIAL DRONES AS I POSSIBLY CAN, AND SHARING ANY STRATEGIES USED TO DO SO WITH AS MANY OTHERS AS I POSSIBLY CAN!
sigh. Literally shaking my head. I didn’t realize it was that bad until seeing this. That really sucks. Thanks Ken for sharing your thoughts and the link. =(
The FCC has a solution as it pertains to Citizen Band Radio use. If you are complying with the rules you are considered licensed and no ID is required. This was put into place because the FCC could not enforce compliance. This is the way the FAA should approach this NPRM. And I have said so in my comments. If you are flying in compliance with the 400 ft restriction as a hobbyist none of these proposed rules should apply. If this gets passed we should have a million drone fly in on Washington.
I hope you read this, so I like to fly and b4 every flight I check my flight zones to confirm that I’m im an ok place to.. but had anyone noticed that the restricted flight zones are growing very fast. Which means we will all soon have top fly very far off in the country away from the cities. I can’t legally fly anywhere im new Orleans now. I guess the smoke screen is this remote ID whilst they make every zone in America flight restricted so remote ID wil not be the real issue having somewhere to fly will be the challenge
I am afraid sooner or alter we all will suffer for the reckless drone users; many of which we can see on Utube.
Dang, Scotty beamed you out as soon as you started to say “bullshit”. That’s not very nice!
You are making my best point’s!! Plus w/ delivery drones the noise and privacy issue’s are many. Thank you. Want to lobby? I am In Co. Supreme court ruled years ago p[roperty owners have sole use of airspace over the property from 150-200 feet. Will watch this later when time allows.You may be one of our best hopes! Sorry my key board is failing.Lol
Great information Ken. You think you have enough monitors there? In all seriousness, how about a studio tour……..
Hi… Just loved your video… As I live in the UK, all this is very interesting… Thanks for sharing.. looking forward to your next videos… Alastair #DG9Drones Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland.
and his number is …. 666 !!!
I have an amateur radio license. I don’t know why the FAA doesn’t have a system similar to that of hams. Give everyone, pro and hobbyists, a call sign who have passed a comprehensive test. Put a transponder that broadcasts the call sign of the operator and a drone ID on the drone over a certain weight. In other words, register the operator and not the drone. No third party companies.
I have been flying RC planes for 20 years and am Part 107 certified but mostly fly my quad recreationally. This proposed law is bad enough for quad flyers but the RC plane hobbyists are the ones that are taking the biggest hit. And guess what, we didn’t so anything wrong! We have been flying safely for decades on our detention camps;and happy to do so. It is the idiots that are flying quads irresponsibly that are making life miserable for us all. And if my AMA field needs to relocate 12 months after the law goes into effect we are SOL. No more new FRIAs after 12 months. What a crock!
Well thats simple, just ignore the entire thing, problem solved
Bottom line is that the government will do whatever it wants. Money talks!! Crooked Democrats will stop at nothing to take our hobby out. We need more Republicans to stop this nonsense!
Instead of reading it, can I just update the firmware of my flight controller with it?
do you condone something like this ?
Enough!!!!!!!! It’s time for all RC pilots, whether quad ( pls don’t call them drones) or fixed wing, to stop being pussies, get some balls and tell the FAA that ‘we will not COMPLY’. No to registration…….. No to ID……….No to any other idiotic ideas the FAA comes up with, and you can be assured they will…….PERIOD!!!!!!
NO MORE DISCUSSIONS.
They can have my drones, I’m keeping my miniquads…
So simple. 2020, time to chose; drone pilot or drone pirate. I chose pirate 10-years ago, I have to avoid every drone when flying, so I shoot down every drone that comes in range when on the ground. The mid-air splash of 12-gauge 4-shot hitting a drone feels like… justice. Get some! Peace!
Apologies for posting Ken, didn’t know any other way to get it to you:
There are People today who can’t afford TV . Because of the Change.
If they can do this to our toys… I cant wait for this technology to be applied to automobiles. You know those things we almost all drive everyday that kill more people in one day than have ever been killed throughout the entire history of RC flight or ever will. The tech is already installed in plenty of cars all that is needed is for us to let them pass the law. Once that is done the focus will be on each individual. I can see a future where everyone that leaves the confines of their own property will be required to wear or carry a device that will monitor where you go and what you do and keep records of those movements for the government to sift though at their leisure. (We already have our gps phones) Oh I almost forgot the guns! Will the NRA save us? Every gun will need a device like the ones on the UAS’ too. The best part is you get to pay for the services for all these things If you don’t pay you might have to call for a delivery drone to bring you things since you cant leave your yard or drive your car anymore! Can’t wait for the slide down this slippery slope! Make no mistake this legislation will become the model for all this.
One word: noncompliance.
I know I can’t win against unelected government bureaucrats, So FAA, I just want to know where to get this remote thingy and how to attach it to my drone. Amazon doesn’t sell any. Oh, and what’s it cost, I don’t want to get taken advantage of with price gouging by some unscrupulous sellers. Thanks 🙂
I am in skydio batch #2 , whit all this forget about that !!!
this is “dictature” , not democracy!!!and a NON Sense!So happy that i don’t live in the US…But if it happen there , we are next!!!
1:48 – WRONG! We don’t “need” some sort of ID system. Just because car owners are mandated to have license plates doesn’t make it a good thing. Car license plates are a clear and direct violation of the intent of 4th amendment. Seriously – this is not crazy talk – stop and think about it objectively. State motor vehicle registration is nothing more than extortion – a money making scam by the government. You are getting absolutely nothing in exchange for your “registration fee” – except some level of immunity from being detained at gunpoint, having some of your assets stolen, and being thrown in a cage.
To make matters worse, the Drone remote ID requirement is totally inconsistent with general aviation requirements. GA aircraft are NOT required to have transponders if they are operating outside of class A,B, or C airspace. Enormous numbers of private pilots operate aircraft without transponders every day because they never fly into those congested airspaces. Ultralight (Part 103) aircraft – which can weight up to 254 lbs EMPTY – not only don’t need transponders, they don’t even need a registration! And they freely fly in Class G airspace which is exactly the same airspace that most of us hobby drone flyers operate in.
13:25 – Hahaha – You must be joking. Only a naive fool would believe that. The US gov’t and deep-state agencies became totally rouge and unconcerned about public interests many decades ago. They are only concerned about power and money. They further this by cozying up to giant corporate interests who are more than willing to pay the gov’t mafia their “protection money” to forcefully kill off any and all potential competition.
It is becoming increasingly clear that the out of control growth of big gov’t can not be restrained by talking, commenting, or even voting. They only offer you the opportunity to speak to make you feel like you have some control. Face it – you don’t. They have already made up their minds what they are going to do. All that remains for them, is to find the best way to slowly ram it down our throat without generating too much objection. They will take the progressive approach as they always do. They’ll propose overly strict rules, and then back off just enough to give you a false sense of victory. Then they’ll do it again – each time gaining ground – taking more of your freedom and liberty.
Worried about Drone ID..ha better worry about the Human chip ID it’s coming